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Last Updated: 17/09/2006

Compiled by Jennifer Walker, Edmonton AB




South Africa


We have quite young Guide leaders in Finland. Usually, girls who lead older children (about 10 to 13) are 14 to 16-17 years old, and leaders who lead younger girls (ages 7 to 10) are 16 to 19 years old. We don´t usually have "younger leaders" in our groups but sometimes older children help leaders. Usually there are 2 or 3 leaders in 1 group and 5 to 20 children. We have own groups for older girls (14-18) too. They don't have a leader, so they are with themselves.

I´m a 14 year old Girl Guide leader from Finland. We have 6 girls and 2 leaders in our group. The name of our group is Pottulan porukka.

--Reeta Luomanpää

Irish Girl Guides

Ranger Guides
Senior Branch
Young Leaders

The youth section of Guiding in NZ includes Rangers (13-19) and young leaders under 30.  Every province has a youth team which includes these groups.  The provincial youth team organises activities for youth in the province such as trainings, camps and the youth magazine.  The youth team chair and deputy must be 1 Ranger and 1 Young Leader.

Every year in about July we have the Joy Evans National Youth Forum or JENYF.  This happens in 3 locations, which run the same programme and communicate via fax and conference calls.  At the forum we have a National Advisor, a young leader from a National Committee and the chair and deputy elected the year before.  Each province sends 4 representatives.  We discuss the way Guiding is going in NZ.  Anyone can send in ideas for discussion called remits; they may include the
programme, PR ideas, uniform issues......  If these are passed at Youth Forum they are taken to National exec.

The youth teams are generally working really well and give a lot of support to young leaders and rangers.  We do a lot of exciting activities.  The Waikato youth team has organised a national camp called Groove for Easter this year.  Other youth teams are running leadership camps for Rangers, trainings for Young Leaders and fun activities like car rallies.

--Lucy Lowndes, Ranger Leader and Chairperson of the Upper North Region for JENYF

22 Jun 1997
In New Zealand we are struggling to get young leaders voices heard. My role as 'Assistant Provincial Youth Advisor' is to look after and liaise with Rangers (13-19yrs) and young leaders (16-30yrs). I am still finding my feet in this role but I am trying to let the young leaders in my province know that there are avenues for them to have their say through.

We have a "Youth Forum" which is run by "Youth" (i.e., Rangers and young leaders) and over seen by Marianna (Provincial Youth Advisor) and myself. This group meets four times a year and attempts to organise activities. We also put out a magazine called Youth Waves. This is supposed to go out a few times a year but only happens once or twice. We have trouble getting young leaders to these meetings and we get about 10-20 Rangers. From a whole Province this is a terrible turn out. I am working on setting up a phone tree to let young leaders know what is going on, I hope this will work.

Carri Markham

Rangers in New Zealand (from Northland Girl Guides' website) 



Young Leaders in South Africa
When you come up with the magic formulae that has the unit leader and the young leaders really working together - please let us all know. This is an international problem. I sit in a very thorny position at times - as one of them and a mother of a daughter of 17 - who I will always love and admire but at times wish I could shake - never give away. My Bronwen is a newly warranted young guider and knows it all I admit ( she really is a good guider not much time for her studies but plenty for guides). When she comes back from events so up tight that her father and brother tell me I must do something about it.

1. one weekend 2 "old " guiders on camp smoked all weekend - not in front of the guides but in the accommodation shared by the staff
2. kept asking young ones to make tea
3. treated them like 2nd class guiders
4. give their unit guides preference with events - often helping them instead of allowing all patrols to compete evenly. This happened when the event was being organized by the YLs.

To make it worse in the eyes of these young leaders the 2 old guiders were actually there as QMs and when asked to join the campfire they said we not on camp only here as QM - but after the camp was over moaned they had been unable to enjoy the activities.

Then these same ladies sit at regional meetings and say why don't the young girls stay? Sorry just seems the chicken and the egg situation. By the way my daughter loves the Guider she assists to pieces - she would do anything for her, at times it seems a mutual admiration society , it is really great to see two generations ( contact guider older than I) relate so well and give the girls such a variety of experiences.

Yes we guiding mothers are really proud of them even when we wish we could shake some sense into them .

Jo-Anne Byng PRETORIA, South Africa

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